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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Moldova/Ukraine - Connections
« Last post by warlord on March 17, 2017, 05:33:29 pm »
Yes, this is why I'm taking the bus from Chișinău to Odesa and not the train because of the lack of decent train times, crossing through Transisteria (though probably not bad going from Chișinău to Odesa, think it's worse going from Odeas to Chișinău).

  Bus will be the best option for me (though they are the smaller mini buses I hear)

Oh good point about the website.  I will make sure I just use the English site as reference and use it for the bus numbers and then book it on the normal website...
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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Moldova/Ukraine - Connections
« Last post by Maxy on March 16, 2017, 06:25:43 pm »
I figure I'll just print it out (like I have in the past with buses like LuxExpress in the Baltics) and just hand that to the driver.
Yes. But unfortunately you cannot book online from the link, I've gave to you (hidden English version, which I've managed to find). Only from Ukrainian/Russian version online purchase work. If you start online purchase from this "hidden" English version - you'll got error on last step, I've already checked.
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  Yes the bigger buses is what I would want.  Been hearing that for the 5 hour trip from Chișinău to Odesa that most are the mini buses.  Not looking forward to that...
in this case you anyway have choice between uncomfortable mean of transportation.
Train Chisinau - Odessa is not good too. Additionally to other drawbacks like operation only few times per week and going via Transnistria. All cars except one have wooden benches:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8315/8002387024_210af8028c_b.jpg
only one of cars in this train have semi-soft seats
http://c7.alamy.com/comp/DKTX49/interior-of-a-carriage-on-the-train-running-between-odessa-ukraine-DKTX49.jpg
but anyway it's the same bad composition, which in domestic trains within Ukraine is considered to be the 3rd class, i.e very few space between rows and very few space in width.
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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Moldova/Ukraine - Connections
« Last post by warlord on March 16, 2017, 05:27:35 pm »
Thanks again and I'll look up the bus in April then when they have the tickets for my date listed (too soon for the date right now).  I figure I'll just print it out (like I have in the past with buses like LuxExpress in the Baltics) and just hand that to the driver.

  Yes the bigger buses is what I would want.  Been hearing that for the 5 hour trip from Chișinău to Odesa that most are the mini buses.  Not looking forward to that...
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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Moldova/Ukraine - Connections
« Last post by Maxy on March 15, 2017, 06:24:00 pm »
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Is the 6am bus for 475 UAH the one you were talking about with the nicest bus since it's a bit more expensive?
yes, it's one of them.

you can click on the the price and see seat chart. Even if you have doubts - you can ensure which bus model is used by deducing it from chart.

As you can see 6:00, 16:30 and 18:35 - have 28 seat bus (it's not tiny bus, it's the standard size 12 m bus) which is very easy to recognize by 1+2 seat locations instead of 2+2 While on other departures, where price is 315 UAH - there is usual 46-seat bus.

Also you may note, that in there are single seats on left bus side, they are tend to sold-out quicker than seats which form pairs, on right side

Also you can click on (i) Details and see list of sheduled intemediate stops. Convenient bus - have intermediate stops, so they cannot overcome whole distance faster than by timetable, because they anyway are not allowed to depart earlier than scheduled from the intermediate stops, so they can "win" no more than ~20 min, between Uman and Kyiv. While the 6:00, 16:30 and 18:35  - don't have scheduled intermediate stops at all, that allows them arrive to Kyiv in a hour (or even more) before sheduled time of arrival.
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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Moldova/Ukraine - Connections
« Last post by warlord on March 15, 2017, 05:41:46 pm »
Great, I was able to use Google Translate and that worked some, but you seemed to have better luck.

  Is the 6am bus for 475 UAH the one you were talking about with the nicest bus since it's a bit more expensive?  Or are they all the same bus, but the 6am one is just more because of the time?
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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Moldova/Ukraine - Connections
« Last post by Maxy on March 15, 2017, 03:43:56 pm »
ha-ha, I've managed to cheat a little bit and force the autolux website to show departure selection in english, look

https://autolux.ua/ua/ru/domestic-booking-search?locale=en_EN_AUTOLUX&currency=31&returnOrigin=1093&returnDestination=1094&returning=0&type=1&outwardOrigin=1094&outwardDestination=1093&outwardDate=2017-03-17&adults=1&children=0&teens=0&seniors=0

As you can see - I've choosen today the departure in 2 days and as you can see - only 11 seats (of 28) left.
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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Moldova/Ukraine - Connections
« Last post by warlord on March 15, 2017, 01:04:41 pm »
yes so that's why I knew I could get the train in advance for sure.  But you did say there was a 6am morning bus by Autolux that has the luxury bus you were talking about correct?  Is there a bus number or something you know of that I could check up on?  Would you think getting it a few days in advance would work since I'll be in Odesa for 4 days and if I get it when I arrive on the first day would that normally be already filled up?
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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Moldova/Ukraine - Connections
« Last post by Maxy on March 13, 2017, 11:42:53 pm »
Oh, I see.
After last change of design of website - English language not available anymore for Autolux website, while in the past it worked.
So sad.
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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Moldova/Ukraine - Connections
« Last post by warlord on March 13, 2017, 07:31:00 pm »
  Ok thanks the the Moldova buses then.  I shouldn't have to worry much about the route anyways because I think there is a bigger issue with people coming from Odesa to Chișinău than from Chișinău to Odesa via Transnistria anyways.  But yes, I'll double check on the buses I like and then see if there are the same departure for the buses to Palanca to make sure they go that route.

  Yes I understood the shorter bus times, I was just finding it a bit more difficult to find those online through the Autolux or Gunsel Websites.  With a limited amount of Russian I know, I couldn't quite figure out how to get a ticket in advance (if I couldn't easily get a few days before when I'm in Odesa).  The train website was a lot easier and I was able to figure out how to book it online in advance. 

  So that was why I was focusing on the train as I can't understand on the website how to book the good buses you were referring to...
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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Moldova/Ukraine - Connections
« Last post by Maxy on March 09, 2017, 12:19:17 am »
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Found the buses from Chișinău to Odesa (http://www.garanord.md/orarul_rutelor.cfm?S_ORAS=Odesa&ID=20910&CODU=208937&Grid1Page=1), though why do only the later buses in the day state Palanca?
in fact palanca mentioned after dash in destination point (for example ODESA/PALANCA(GA)) - is optional.
If destination point don't contain this /PALANCA it doesn't mean bus doesn't go via Palanca.
Simply one bus carrier insisted their departure should be listed with explicit mentioning of going via Palance, other bus carrier didn't this and bus station simply list Odessa.

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I know you stated most buses will avoid Transnistria (though I will have already visited there on the trip), just wasn't sure if these buses go through there or not?  Doesn't really say anything on the website.

it's wrong impression. Most of buses go via Palanca. Most of those, which are listed as simply to odessa and those where explicitly written via Palanca or via Tudora (it's the same way).
With present stupid design of Garanord.md website you can ensure the bus you like really go via Palanca only by making separate seach to Palanca http://www.garanord.md/orarul_rutelor.cfm?S_ORAS=palanca&ID=20822#ruta1
and findining in results all buses which you've seen in search result to Odessa. As you can see - almost all buses are here - morning, daytime and evening.
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Does that just means there's an official stop there while the early buses in the day just drive through Palanca and not stop?
It means only garanord.md website could be better. It so stupid that their database "knows" intermediate stops, but don't allow to see them by clicking the departure.
but yes, the problem that intermediate point Vama Palanca is listed in one bus departure and missed in other, despite both go via Palanca - is possible too.
you can also try MAIACHI AS, STEFAN-VODA, STAROCAZ+, CAUSENI. If at last one of those intermediate point is present in bus route and then bus reaches Odessa - bus definitely bypasses Transnistria.
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  As for Odesa-Kyiv, found I can book the train 2 weeks in advance
well, 1st class is not a big problem, Ukrainians almost don't buy it while seat of 2nd class are available, because find it too pricey. Only when 2nd class is gone - seats in 1st class start to sold-out quickly.

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and that the first class will get me to Kyiv at a decent time in the day and only seems to be 1/2 shorter than the bus (unless like mentioned the buses drive faster in the day than the time stated).
Let me explain once more, may be it's will be more clear this way.

Daytime train takes 7 hours.

Convenient buses (the most of buses, I don't reccomend to use them) - have official travel time varying from 7:00 (and can be up to 8 hours), de-facto travel takes usually ~6:45. Comfort level - definitely worse than 2nd class in train. Try to avoid them if there is better option.

But there are few the fastest and more comfortable buses (not all Autolux and Gunsel ones, but only very few particular ones - the 6:00, 16:00 and 18:35 Autolux and 5:45 and 17:15 Gunsel) - have listed travel time 6:30, de-facto travel time will be ~5-5,5 hours. The bus which used for this departures provide higher level of comfort than normal bus, for example here is one type of coaches which used on such departures of Autolux
http://www.unvertur.com/images/safir_vip.jpg
there is only 28 seats (instead of standar 45) in 12-meter bus, seats stand 2+1 instead of 2+2 and more space between rows. Comfort level definitely better than 2nd class of train.
Those few particular bus departures (5 per day in current timetable) - are the only buses I've proposed you to think about.
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  Might be more comfortable on the train as first class opposed to the bus...
But of course, in case of comparsion with 1st class in train - bus is worse, even such better one. In train there is more space. Rolling stock used for daytime train Odessa - Kyiv have 3,5 meters wide carbodies and in 1st class there is 2+2 seats. Definitely 2+2 seats in 3,5 meter wide car-body provide more space than 2+1 seat in 2,5 meter-wide bus.
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