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Train fares and tariffs / Re: The cheapest way from Vladivostok to Hanoi
« on: October 06, 2010, 10:54:18 am »
It is difficult to say precisely what would be the MPT tariff fare for such route (+ it depends on route you chose), but generally MPT tariff tend to be cheaper than domestic Chinese, especially when we are talking about such distances.
But the most obvious rail route via Grodekovo-Suifenhe has couple of problems - direct carriage Vladivostok-Harbin (runs on Mondays and Thursdays only) takes way to long (almost 20 hours just to get 200+km till the border and 40 hours till Harbin), so you might consider bus or plane as well.

1007
Train fares and tariffs / Re: Fare Kiev Vladivostok
« on: October 06, 2010, 10:02:03 am »
190 EUR is the tiket and sleeper reservation KUPE 2/4 per person Moscow/Vladivostok or only the tiket
8070 RUB is the fare for domestic ticket and reservation (they both printed on one ticket sheet).The fare is like this because RZD just restarted their promo - upper berth in "kupe" for any domestic journey are sold with 50% discount, so instead of full 16000+ fare you pay only half, promo is valid for travels since October 15.
The only minuses of this option - travel on upper berth all the way and need to purchase ticket directly from RZD (ticket counter or if you are lucky and your bank card is accepted on RZD website - online)

1008
Train fares and tariffs / Re: Fare Kiev Vladivostok
« on: October 05, 2010, 09:58:37 pm »
Kiev-Vladivostok carriage runs every second day on even dates of the month, when the two uneven dates follow at the end/start of the month, then it runs on 28,30,1,3,8.
The fare is 6160 UAH (app. 560 EUR) for "kupe" (no platskartnyi on this route), but we would strongly advice you to take a look at other options, because, first of all, since it is interstate connection the fare is extremely high and, secondly, carriage passes territory of Kazakhstan (depending on you citizenship you might need additional visa).
On the contrary, cheapest ticket for "kupe" of "Rossiya" train #1 Moscow-Vladivostok starts from 8000 RUB only (app. 190 EUR)

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Train fares and tariffs / Re: Warsaw to Vienna
« on: October 04, 2010, 12:41:34 am »
Standard fare for connection Warsawa-Vienna is around 72 euro (seat), but there is a limited number of discounted tickets - sold in advance and start from 39 euro. In order to buy such discounted ticket you'll need to visit international ticket counter in Warsawa/Vienna or request ticket from Austrian Railways by mail (Polish Railways doesn't offer such service). Discounted tickets for couchette/sleeper carriages available as well.
If you aren't lucky to get discounted ticket, but don't want to pay 70+ euro for the ticket, then you might take advantage of certain "tricks", Couple train changes and/or purchases of separate tickets for different legs of the journey can cut your expenses on the trip quite noticeably.

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Train fares and tariffs / Re: From Budapest to Kiev
« on: October 01, 2010, 06:37:51 pm »
1. Does an ISIC card work for the discount or does it need to be a Hungarian student card?
Unfortunately, but no, only Hungarian student card holders are entitled for the discount. As result, it makes sense to buy direct Chop-Budapest ticket (20 euro), since it will be cheaper than combination of Chop-Zahony and full fare Zahony-Budapest.

2. From Budapest I'd like to go onwards to Serbia. How much (roughly) is a ticket from Budapest to Belgrade, and is there some kind of discount ticket for buying a return fare to a neighboring country?
15 euro one way and 26 return. It is special offer, but number of tickets is unlimited, so you can buy your ticket even 10 minutes before train departure. On all other return tickets in connection Hungary-Serbia you receive 60% off.

1011
Yes, I see them.  It looks like the regular price?
Yes, so all the hopes to save is for SuperSaver till Visp or even Brig, so you will use international ticket for the shortest leg possible, while discounted SuperSaver for as longest leg possible.

Found another option: different route to Milano lies not far from Luzern (to be precise - Arth-Goldau). From there you can still buy for 45 CHF tickets for morning trains to Milan or same offer but from TrenItalia for 29 euro (http://www.trenitalia.com/cms/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=c79686605528a110VgnVCM1000003f16f90aRCRD, need to choose SMART 2 price from selection of tariffs, SMART 1 tickets for 19 euro are already sold out), the only minus here is that Lauterbrunnen-Arth-Goldau cost from 55 CHF to 68 CHF depending on route, so once again - all the hopes for SuperSaver ticket.

1012
The 30E tickets are not at the right time.
Well, that happens with discounted tickets, they are in limited number, so sometimes they already sold out for the train you want...
Even though it says the price is 61E each, when I try to buy them it ups the price to 81E each.  Is that because we don't have a 1/2 price card?
Yes.

p.s. Just rechecked, there are still 47 CHF tickets left from Visp (next station towards Italy after Spiez), thus you might go with combination Lauterbrunnen-Visp + Visp-Milano discounted, that might be an option since SBB promised to reintroduce SuperSaver tickets from mid-October again, thus you can expect cheap ticket Lauterbrunnen/Interlaken-Visp (maybe 20 CHF or even cheaper). Even if you won't be able to buy SuperSaver Lauterbrunnen-Visp full fare is 48 CHF.
Other option is to hunt for Click&Rail, but now Click&Rail page on SBB wesbite is down, so can't really tell more about this option for you. No Click&Rail for Italy anymore, so it's not an option at all afterwords

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I asked SBB for a quote and this is what they offered: Tickets:
1 person without reduction:
CHF 110.00 / Lauterbrunnen - Domodossola
CHF  44.00 / Domodossola - Milano Centrale
That's standard fare, so obviously it would be much more expensive than discounted one. But anyway, kind of strange...why SBB quoted fares for two tickets instead of one direct  ??? This "break" via Domodossola makes it even more expensive...

p.s. thanks for the website link, maybe one day we will expand and add pages about Canada as well

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Train fares and tariffs / Re: From Budapest to Kiev
« on: September 29, 2010, 11:37:48 pm »
Since you have Hungarian Student ID (gives you 50% off any domestic journey with MAV), thus obviously your best choice is to go from Budapest to Zahony, then cross the border till Chop and use domestic Ukrainian train till Kiev.
Actually there are 6 direct Zahony-Chop and 5 direct Chop-Kiev trains per day, so you have a variety of choices here. As result it all depends on time you want to leave Budapest or arrive to Kiev.
Chop-Kiev trains (all Ukrainian time, +1 hour comparing to Budapest):
4:18-20:00, train #15 (till Moscow via Kiev), rather expensive since served by Russian railways, 130 UAH for "platskartnyi" and 204 UAH for "kupe".
15:37-7:19, train #100, 97 UAH for "platskartnyi" and 148 UAH for "kupe"
16:45-9:23, train #82, best train on route (fast schedule, newer carriages etc.), 98 UAH for "platskartnyi" and 152 UAH for "kupe"
20:26-12:14, train #8, 86 UAH for "platskartnyi" and 128 UAH for "kupe"
22:42-14:33, train #14,  85 UAH for "platskartnyi" and 127 UAH for "kupe"
From our experience cashiers in Chop speak Hungarian with no problems, so it would be quite easy to buy UZ domestic tickets.

Timetable for Zahony-Chop you can easily find on MAV website, fare for this connection is around 950-1000 HUF (4 day return ticket), if you plan to stay more than 4 days in Ukraine, then it makes sense to buy two one way tickets instead (app. 3 euro per ticket).

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So... there are two types of tariffs for trains in Europe, one is domestic (each country/railway company sets their own tariff) and international (this one is used for standard international travel and for purchasing tickets not in the country where you plan to use it, like buying Budapest-Vienna ticket in Berlin etc.). TCV tariff or as its now also called - SCIC-NRT is one of the international tariffs.
Generally domestic tariffs is almost always cheaper, than international, but in some cases it is not like this. So it makes sense to purchase international ticket for domestic/within country use instead. But such "trick" is only useful only if you intend to make multiple stops on your way (in your case in Visp, Brig, Domodossola etc.). Is it your intention?

If you need only to travel from Lauterbrunnen to Vernazza in a cheapest way, then it's better to follow other option: SBB (Swiss railways) sells special discounted tickets for travels from Switzerland to Italy, but those aren't sold from any station. Closest to Lauterbrunnen station from where you can buy such discounted ticket is Spiez (only 20 minutes from Interlaken). As of now Spiez-Milan discounted tickets for October 23 are sold for as low as 30 CHF (32 CAD). Can buy those here - https://www.sbb.ch/mct/wi/shop/b2c/pipSchritt_0.do Lauterbrunnen-Spiez one way standard fare is 17.2 CHF (18 CAD). So full route Lauterbrunnen-Milan will cost you only 47.2 CHF or 50 CAD.
Standard fare Lauterbrunnen-Milan is 98 CHF, that is the price you'll pay if you purchase your ticket at the Lauterbrunnen train station. As you can see, it really makes sense to purchase discounted ticket from Spiez online in advance + standard till Spiez, in such way you'll save app.50%

For Milan-Vernazza part it's much better to purchase domestic Italian ticket instead of international one, since Italian domestic tariff is rather cheap. Standard fare starts from 12.7 euro (18 CAD), most expensive option involving faster InterCity train cost 22.3 EUR (31 CAD)

Resume: you can make whole Lauterbrunnen-Vernazza trip for as low 68 CAD, which is quite good price for such route.

p.s. feel free to ask additional questions in case you having troubles with any of the above info  ;)


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Travel plans, routes and timetables / Re: Prague to Unknown Destination.
« on: September 17, 2010, 08:27:51 pm »
Hmm... Katowice is definitely worst choice, there is simply nothing to look at besides industrial areas ;)
Other options:
Berlin: 4:40 to 5:20 away, tickets from 29 euro one way
Dresden: 2:15 away from Prague, tickets from 22 euro for one day return or 26 euro one month return
Munich: from 6 hours by direct train or 5 hours train+railway bus, tickets from 29 euro one way (Bavaria-Bohemia ticket might be an option in certain cases)
Wroclav(?): from 5:12 with at least one train change, return ticket - 42 euro, but can be don cheaper with a small tariff trick.
Katowice might be substituted by Krakow, but it is already more than 8 hours away.

Additionally, we would also recommend to consider Alpine Austria (cities and/or nature), Leipzig and probably some small historic towns in Bavaria region.

1017
Actually yes, seat reservation on the route Vienna-Budapest is not compulsory, thus most of the passengers ignore it, there is no point to pay extra? But on some occasions (peak season, Friday evening/Monday morning etc.) train might be busy, so some prefer to have seat reserved for them.

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Train fares and tariffs / Re: tcv in italy
« on: September 17, 2010, 06:45:52 pm »
Usually your train journey is covered by two part travel document - one is ticket itself (for specific route) and the other is seat reservation (for specific train on a specific date). In many countries (like Switzerland) you mainly don't need this second part (reservation) since it is not compulsory, all the trains have free seating. In some (like in Italy) most of the trains require seat reservation, thus you obliged to buy it. Ticket itself usually valid for quite a long period of time, especially international one. So, TCV (or as it now also called SCIC-NRT) is exactly this ticket part and this is what you can purchase in Prague (as well as in Switzerland). But in case you want to use InterCity or EuroStar train in Italy you will need this additional seat reservation. The only type of trains that doesn't require seat reservation in Italy is "Regional", thus you can board them using the ticket part (what you buy in Prague), no need to buy anything extra.
So, as far as we understood, ticket cashier was kind of warning you, that if you want to use ticket bought from him without any additional supplement, you'll must use regional trains (those are slower, run for shorter routes etc.)=thus you'll need more changes in order to travel for your desired routes.
But in case you want to use faster trains, just buy seat reservation in Italy and board the train with Czech ticket, in such case you will be fully covered and have in hands both required part of travel docs.

p.s. just in case, if you decide to use just regional trains: Como-Venezia can be done only with one change, Venezia-Florence - at least one change required. Florence-Rome - no changes required since there are regional trains running full route.

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Train fares and tariffs / Re: Cheapest train travel for Europe trip
« on: September 15, 2010, 07:23:58 am »
Let us look at simple math:
Prague-Budapest: cheapest ticket on the route is Czech e-Ticket (https://www.cd.cz/eshop/international/search_int.aspx?tt=4), from 19 euro per person. Purchase in advance required.
Budapest-Vienna: discounted tickets start from 13 euro per person, but those need to be purchased as well in advance and only at the station in Budapest. Regular one way fare on the route is 23 euro.
Vienna-Salzburg: regular domestic tickets are rather expensive for the route (47.5 euro per person), but you can do a small legal trick - buy not domestic ticket Vienna-Salzburg, but international Vienna-Munich/Zurich. Those international tickets sold from 29 euro per person if you buy some time in advance (http://www.oebb.at/pv/en/Servicebox/Online-Ticket/index.jsp). Other option is Einfach-Raus-Ticket, it is day pass for all regional trains in Austria. Cost only 28 euro for a group up to 5 passengers. The only inconvenience with such pass is that you will need to travel with changes and a little bit slower since it is regional trains, but at the end you pay only 28 euro.
Salzburg-Prague: discounted tickets start from 39 euro per person. There are way to do it cheaper, but you will need to use Einfach-Raus-Ticket till Austria-Czech border and purchase then domestic Czech tickets.

Resume: 19+13+29+39*2 persons= 200 EUR (or 260 USD for two passengers). The only thing you need is to purchase your tickets some time in advance. With use of Einfach-Raus-Ticket it will be even cheaper, but less convenient in time of travel because of regional trains use and changes.

Additional stops in Brno or C.Krumlov will increase you ticket expenses maximum on the fare of Praha-Brno/C.Krumlov 2 person ticket (20 or 15 euro respectively), but it is possible to design the trip, so those stops won't even increase the sum.

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need return ticket for China to get Chineese visa, so it looks realy difficult to get Chinese visa here in Belgrade, without flying there.
The problem is that the only place where you can potentially buy rail ticket to China is Moscow (maybe SPb as well) and other big stations on the way of Chinese trains, other confirmed place is Riga, maybe Tallinn, but it is not confirmed.
While Belarus and Ukraine being officially in MPT, but, as far as we know, nobody succeeded in buying ticket to China from there, so it difficult to be sure about those places of purchase.   

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