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Train fares and tariffs / Re: Domestic border-to-border tickets for internatinal trains.

« on: July 04, 2011, 10:55:00 am »

Hi again,

Seems that only one of us will get there by train, the other person will be there already before. So i guess the plan for one person is generally same, just except citystar breclav-sturovo I'm buying a regular return TCV ticket, right?

BTW. from the website "55% off Czech Republic - Slovakia connections" I guess it's return only, right?

Thanks :-)

Filip.

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Train fares and tariffs / Re: Domestic border-to-border tickets for internatinal trains.

« on: June 28, 2011, 11:13:37 am »

Ok seems like (taking into account the railpluses and isics we will have), the following option is the best one:

1. Budapest - Samac TCV-railplus 29eur per person
2. Samac Sarajevo    Domestic-30% around 7eur + supplement for buing in the train (I expect it 7eur coz its similar distance as sarajevo tuzla, the zfbh doesnt really show samac sarajevo price)

Thats only up to 3 eur more than 'full domestic' variant (even excluding supplements for buying ticket in the train in B.Manastir) but 6 lessthan Budapest-Sarajevo wil TCV-railplus only (excluding supplement in samac) . The TCV for bosnian part seems to be a bit overpriced... (but I don't know the exact price, just estimate it because of Sarajevo-Tuzla)

In case of delay in budapest and missing DRAVA, then we'll do this stuff:

1. TCV+railplus for Budapest-Pec (intercity)-Beli manastir(putnicki)-Osijek(another putnicki)
2.Night in Osijek
3a. domestic till SL.samac + tcv-railplus for Sl.samac/samac (can they refuse to sell me that in Osijek?) + domestic samac/sarajevo
3b. (not a large price difference) tcv-railplus for Osijek/Samac then domestic till Sarajevo.

In the second case (delay in Budapest), we will arrive in Sarajevo earlier (however a day after of course) so we can also catch the train to Mostar, which is actually our destination. However obviously in the 1st case we sleep in Sarajevo then continue to Mostar with domestic ticket (that's why I didnt even ask about it  )


I guess that's the most optimal option for us

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Train fares and tariffs / Re: Domestic border-to-border tickets for internatinal trains.

« on: June 27, 2011, 04:44:02 pm »

Still about that Budapest-Sarajevo route ...

I think we can buy one czech inkarta for 10 eur per yer and it includes railplus then both of us will have railplus. ( budapest beli manastir is already 7 eur cheaper with railplus, and then there is this subotica budapest on our return connection ...)

I think I forgot to mention that we both have ISIC cards, so in principle we get 30% for both croatian and bosnian domestic tickets... Then the border-to -border option seems to be the cheapest option... Maybe for the Budapest-Beli manastir (or Osijek if we will have to stop there for a night due to missing the connection in Budapest) we will use TCV+railpus then continue on domestics. Or domestic Budapest-  Magyarboly then TCV+railplus to Beli manastir?? (2eur) then again domestic ...

Then Slavonski Samac-Samac (Croatian Bosnian border) is 1eur with railplus...

In principle we could buy all those "TCV-border" things ahead of time in Bohumin or even in Poland but I guess I'm running a bit too much into making things really complicated regarding small amounts I'd save by doing this.   )

After You said that sometimes they may make trouble due to 'illegal' border crossing I think it's nice to pay that little price to validate my presence in the train upon entering the new country... I just don't want to make cashiers furious by bloking the line buying many tickets for 1 eur each between destinations they've never heard about )

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Train fares and tariffs / Re: Domestic border-to-border tickets for internatinal trains.

« on: June 24, 2011, 01:28:13 pm »

Ok, Your advice seems great. I guess we'll do the a) variant. Anyway I'll have couple of questions (sorry as it's the first time I'm doing this thing:) )

1. How do You know the prices of tickets? For example City Star Bohumin Sturovo + Sturovo Budapest that I'm buying in Bohumin? I mean I would like to know where to get those prices so I can look for them on my own later on. Sorry, but "Your" prices I can't get while calculating TCV with jizdenka (where else?) and the official websites of railways do not often specify the international prices, except some main corridors (that's the reason I was always using border-border tickets for price clarity).



2. (can be ommited if not having time ) If possible, please give me some examples of price calculation  coz I would really like to become an expert in the matter and not bother You while going anywhere anytime :-)

2a.Like for example You say one way Subotica-Budapest is 13 eur, but jizdenka gives me 19 (60% discount applies only for return connection on this route right?).

2b.Again, Sturovo-Budapest is 10 eur one way bought in Bohumin, fine. But You say for the other way round (bought in Budapest) it's 6 eur. Why? On the website You say that the discount applies only for return tickets! (and in this case those are obviusly two one-way tickets)

2c.Citystar Bohumin-Budapest. How do You calculte the price? (I understand the second person pays 50% but how come You arrive at 68.8?)

With my way of calculating it almost always gets more expensive than border-border tickets .



3. Seems like we'll slightly revert our plans and go first to Sarajevo then come back from Subotica (both trains direct). The Poland-Budapest stays fixed. Which tickets would You suggest us to buy for Budapest-Sarajevo then Subotica-Budapest (in this case standard ticket for 13eur as You mentioned?) one-way connections? Maybe we can somehow combine them with those for Poland-Budapest part?

Once again many thanks for all those efforts :-)

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Train fares and tariffs / Re: Domestic border-to-border tickets for internatinal trains.

« on: June 23, 2011, 07:27:26 pm »

Thanks !!

But then I have a few questions :-)

1. How did You calculate the prices? Seems like jizdenka.cz gives me different values... Despite putting 2 people and return discount ... Both for the Bohumin-Bratislava and Bratislava-Budapest connection :-(  City star gives an aditional disctount to the existing TCV one?

2. The tickets. Can I buy both of them at any larger station in Poland? I mean there is a direct train from Warsaw to Budapest which stops at Bohumin for 1h in the night but as I understand the City-Star ticket i need to get in advance, then the ticket Bratislava-Budapest I cannot buy in Bratislava as I don't have time to do that.

3. How are those TCV discounts applied? If in the international ticket office I ask for any international ticket they will have the discounted price already on the screen or I will I be exposed to mercy/knownledge of the person selling?

I'm affraid there is too much uncertainty with those combinations, but ...

Now as it seems like You may really know virtually everything about rail travelling, maybe You could advise me with my connection fully (which I wanted to do with domestic tickets only).

Two people, one >26 with bahncard+railplus, second <26. The "return" part is Katowice-Budapest.

Katowice                              23:49        D 407
Budapest-Keleti pu    arr   08:35                                  (via Czech/Slovakia)

Budapest-Keleti pu         10:05        D 343   
Subotica                      arr   13:52

Then for the return (within 2-3 weeks)...

Sarajevo        dep      06:55        IC 258       (via Croatia)
Budapest-Deli pu    arr        18:10   

Budapest-Keleti pu dep   19:55        EN 476       (again via Slovakia/Czech)
Katowice                   arr     04:25

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Train fares and tariffs / Domestic border-to-border tickets for internatinal trains.

« on: June 21, 2011, 04:24:29 pm »

Hi,

I think there is one thing You're not really mentioning on this website :-)

Quite often, buying domestic border to border tickets is much more cheaper than the TCV tariff, even including discounts. For example, I'm planning a route for two people Poland-Czech-Slovakia-Hungary-Serbia, then return Bosnia-Croatia-hungary-Slovakia-Czech-Poland and no matter how do I calculate the ticket price, it's always cheaper to buy the domestic tickets. That's actually what I was always doing before knowing the TCV. You board an international train having a domestic ticket only (+ reservation for the whole journey if applicable) until the last station in the coutry or the border point if possible. Then, after crossing the border, reporting then buying the next ticket from the new ticket officer on board. Unfortunately that often requires having a local currency (but for example in Czech You can pay in Eur also) or payng an extra fee for buying the ticket in the train despite counter at the station (still again, some of the border stations do not have a ticket machine/counter). Internet ticket, if possible, helps here alot. Sometimes the train stops just after the border for so long (like eg overnight Warsaw-Budapest in Bohumin in Czech for 0h50) that we have a plenty of time to get it. Anyway, that still makes the journey far less expensive than the TCV. That allows us also to use all the posiible domestic discounts for age or group or pay adequately to the train rank (like in Poland where Regio trains are ca 5 times cheaper than the EC, and some of them run as far abroad as the faster ones, like Klodzko-Usti nad Orlici).

Of course that does not apply to any international (like spar or euro-special) tickets bought in advance, but still, often You don't need to buy anything in advance and You're really flexible in case of any change of plans or a train being late on roue.

Usually worked for me so i guess it's nice to know.

Have a nice day everyone :-)

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Train fares and tariffs / Strasbourg - Oberalppass (alps) with bike

« on: May 27, 2011, 07:27:06 pm »

Hi all.

Quick question (as it's the first time I'm gonna do such a thing).

I'm travelling to from Strasbourg to Oberalppass (2200m) with my bike. Via Basel and Goeschenen. From Goeshenen to Oberalppass there is a private railway. I'm 26 and I have a bahncard with railplus. This is the cheapest combination I've found. Will it work?

1. Strasbourg - Basel with my local 70% discount (for domestic travel+Basel) ticket around 3eur (I couldbt use my railplus coz in France i need to be <26 right?)
2. Basel-Goeschenen ticket for 37eur - 25% discount due to railplus. (this ticket I will abviously buy in Strasbourg too. (I can buy it only for the Swiss railways national, not for the private ones, I've checked that already at the station)
3. In Goeschenen i buy ticket to Oberalppass for the private railway for 13.20 chf (10 eur).

Additionaly in Basel I buy the all-day bike ticket for 12 chf (10 eur).

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend everyone :-)