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« on: July 06, 2013, 01:05:18 pm »
It will be a bit difficult to travel overnight from Nice to Madrid solely by rail. There used to be overnight train Milan-Barcelona via Nice, but now it's not running. Instead you can take into consideration overnighter Port Bou-Madrid (19:26-7:21), however in order to reach Port Bou on time you'll have to start from Nice in the morning, thus making it almost 24 hours to reach Madrid, which is obviously not the best solution.
Maybe a better option will be to catch evening flight from Nice to Barcelona (Vueling or EasyJet) and then either take an overnight train to Madrid or spend the night in Barcelona & take one of the multiple morning high-speed AVE trains. Or alternative will be to take an overnight bus from Nice to Barcelona (17:15-4:00 or 23:59-10:45) or even all the way to Madrid (17:15-11:15), but again spending the whole night on the bus isn't for everybody
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« on: July 05, 2013, 02:09:16 pm »
Thanks, sometimes even Eurail Group can be useful )))
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« on: July 03, 2013, 06:46:46 pm »
Fiddling with the routes within Germany on DE site under Sparpreis with 90days out. Actually it's 92 days 1. Are there better deals than those above? I have yet to come across EUR29 or EUR49 as promoted on that page. Are they a myth as seat supply is so limited that they are gone within mins/hours of availability? Well, SparPreis tickets for journeys within Germany start from 19 euro (<250 km routes) or 29 euro, but obviously number of tickets at such bargain fares are really limited, so once cheapest once get sold out, then next price level kicks in - 35 euro-->39 euro-->45-->49 etc. With peak dates or time it's indeed quite difficult to catch the cheapest ones Regarding Cologne to Brussels your best bet is international sparpreis tickets (from 19 euro per passenger), they are relatively easy to catch since it not very far and there are many trains With Brussels to Paris trip DB website should be used only for timetable check, while tickets should be purchased either via Thalys website (operator of high-speed train) or French Railways (SNCF) website 2. Any other arrangement like the Bavarian-Bohemia + Pilsen-Praha that you mentioned earlier for these inter-regional routes? Already mentioned Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket (for weekends) & Quer-durchs-Land-Ticket (for weekdays), both have rules like regional passes, but just valid within the whole Germany. Although because both are valid only for regional trains (not high-speed ICE/IC) traveling with help of Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket/Quer-durchs-Land-Ticket on long distance routes like Munich to Berlin or Berlin to Cologne might be not extremely convenient because a) will take more time & b) you'll have to change trains. For instance Munich to Berlin by regional trains will take 9-10 hours and at least 3 changes, while with high-speed train route can be done by 6-7 hours and using direct ICE train. But on the contrary Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket/Quer-durchs-Land-Ticket for the whole family can cost less than Sparpreis for ICE train for one passenger 3. Plan to spend 3 days each in Munich and Berlin. Reckon respective Lander-Tickets is the way to go when in the city if I were to travel out of city to say Dacha, Fussen, Sachsenhausen. Is my thinking for Lander on the right track? Yes, Lander tickets (=regional passes) are precisely designed for such journeys, especially when family or group is traveling. The only thing to keep in mind is that for some shorter trips it might be cheaper to go with local tickets instead of Lander Ticket. For instance when going to Dachau from Munich it's cheaper to get Munich area MVV day pass 4. For the Koln to Brussels leg, there is a funny 5min transfer to another train at Bruxelles-Nord. Am I realistic with this schedule? Because was just thinking by the time I drag the luggages, figure out direction of next platform in foreign language, which compartment to embark - well the Bruxelles-Central train would have left. Do you really need Central station in Brussels? The thing is that most of the direct trains terminate at Brussels-Midi station, some also stop at Brussels-Nord, but the trick is that all three Brussels-Nord, Brussels-Central & Brussels-Midi are all in the city centre and not very far from each other (check google maps), so maybe it will be better just to get ticket till Nord or Midi and then simply continue by city transport to your hotel? Imho, no need to make extra train change in order to arrive to more or less the same part of Brussels 5. Actually do not intend to stay overnight in Koln. We can leave Berline early and arrive Koln at around 10am, spend half a day in the city before catch a train to Brussels say around 6pm. Is there any other ticket arrangement (international?) for Berlin-Brussels that allow a stopover in Koln for 7-8hrs? Yep, you certainly can do so. And even more, in some situations it can be cheaper to buy one through ticket with stopover instead of two separate ones. In order to purchase such ticket just enter "Berlin Hbf" to "Bruxelles-Midi" and in the third row below stopover "Cologne" along with number of hours you intend to spend in Cologne, should look something like this  And best thing here is that you can still get discounted ticket despite such long stopover 6. For Brussels to Paris leg, is it more beneficial to book from Brussels or France site rather than DE? Yes, as was already said above, here better to turn either to Thalys website (operator of high-speed train) or French Railways (SNCF) website Any other useful advice appreciated Well, for those traveling in December & January it's a good thing to remind that in Europe during second weekend of December happens timetable change, so many companies would a) potentially make some changes in train operations (doubt it really effect your itinerary, maybe just +/- some minutes here and there); b) some railway companies fail to enter schedule changes on time, so sale period might be a bit delayed. It happens all the time, so there is nothing to worry if some tickets aren't on sale when they suppose to be, just wait some time and they will appear they should provide a university course for booking of trains in europe. 
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« on: July 02, 2013, 01:56:39 pm »
And that's 23 euro per person I assume? Great price for 20+ hours privacy and relaxation. I'll need it after a week on the beach  Yes, it's per person. But again would remind you that it's just one through sleeper carriage (the other one Prague-Bar is couchette), so it might make sense not to leave purchase of reservations till the last moment. It shouldn't be a problem to buy return one even in Bratislava or, if not, then first thing after arrival to Bar
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« on: July 02, 2013, 12:29:51 pm »
Regarding Airport-City journey, then you have a few options: a) take S-Bahn train; b) take " City Airport Train" or c) take busWith Vienna to Gyor you won't be able to book all 29 tickets at once, but if you really want you can book them in batches of 6 tickets. However don't think you should really worry about purchasing tickets in advance. Vienna to Gyor route served not just by multiple RailJet train going towards Budapest, but also many EURegio (REX) trains, you can buy tickets for 19 euro (standard fare) even before departure. And since none of the train require compulsory seat reservation, they simply can't get sold out. Also in case you want to save some money, then besides direct international tickets you can as well opt for the option with Austrian group rail pass - Einfach-Raus Ticket, basically you can use up to Austria-Hungary border, while for the reminding part just get separate tickets
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« on: July 02, 2013, 12:14:00 pm »
Is the route between Prague and Munich scenic (ie picturesque) that will keep you excited? More or less, especially if you never traveled there, but nothing really extraordinary, just nice fields, forest, villages Does the bus option offer better sightseeing than train in winter in this regard? No, train route is better. Plus the whole atmosphere of a journey cannot be compared, train wins easily, but hey, we are railways forum, so kind of bias
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« on: July 01, 2013, 11:40:02 pm »
the special offer ticket " Bar special with price 9,90 euros is not valide now. It is valid from 01.09.2103 to 14.12.2013. Very strange response from ZS... if it's not valid during summer why then ZS and ZCG started to "advertise" new offer almost right before the summer?  Anyways, it's not a very dramatic loss, and yep, then you left with either BP-Bar-BP ("Montenegro Spezial" from MAV) or BP-Belgrade-BP + standard fare Belgrade-Bar-Belgrade Do you know how much a reservation in a two berth compartment will be from Bar to Bratislava? About 20 euro each? 23,10€
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« on: July 01, 2013, 04:37:58 pm »
1. The DB prices of 4 tickets for the 09:15 train is 269.60EUR is 3.5 times more expensive than CZ's 1999CZK - all standard prices (except for 2 tickets for 18-25 years under CZ). There must be something that I missed and not comparing apples to apples as the difference is simply too significant. You've missed the fact that Czech tickets are discounted one's (19 euro per person making it 1999 CZK for 4), which were mentioned in the previous post, while German Railways website indeed shows you full standard fare. So all this difference comes exactly from the difference between the price of the discounted tickets (offer "Včasná jízdenka Evropa"(Německo)) and standard fare ones 2. Appreciate if you determine if it is worth the reduction in prices to get any of those special passes under DE site. http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t398/asdfjunky/Bahn02.jpg
3. Similarly is it worth the while for those discount in CZ http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t398/asdfjunky/Praha-Munich__D_Page_2.jpg Well, in both cases would have to say NO, because: a) for some of the discounts/discount cards you simply won't be eligible; b) most of them aren't issued immediately upon request, thus it takes time to actually get them; c) probably most important, they are not worth it for occasional travelers doing only a few journeys, you'll just overpay for something like BahnCard, but it won't pay back with the discounts you potentially will get from your few trips. All this cards give discount from the standard fare Much more reasonable is simply to rely on group passes (like German ones mentioned in the previous post) or discounted tickets (like 19 euro Prague-Munich), which both at the end save you more. For train journeys in Czech Republic there is also plenty of options - from rather essential discount for groups (no card or anything needed) to group passes. If you plan trips within Czech Republic would suggest to read through our Czech page - http://europetrainsguide.com/Countries/Czech-Republic/Czech-Republic-CD.html 4. There are 2 more direct (no connection) departures shown in CZ namely 13:15 and 17:15. Is this info reliable? Yes, Ex/ALX #354 & Ex/ALX #356 are running, no problem here. DB website also shows them 5. Notice that there is a direct bus departure at 10:30 and surprising faster than train by 1hr 11mins. How comfortable are this bus and will luggages post a problem in traveling? Apparently no booking in CZ except by phone? Those buses are run by DB and you can book them via DB website (tickets from 29 euro), buses are more or less ok in terms of comfort and have baggage compartment. However remember that "real" bus companies (like the ones mentioned on the previous post) might have a better price & higher level of service
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« on: June 29, 2013, 09:44:30 pm »
Unfortunately for you it will be difficult to get couchette/sleeper reservation for train from Poland to Hungary via official railways websites, since first of all railways rarely sell just reservations via internet, plus in this particular case Polish Railways (PKP) doesn't even sell online tickets for connections to Poland, so definitely you can't buy reservations either. However, reservations for Krakow to Budapest carriages should be available not only in Poland/Hungary, but also at any ticket counter with access to EPA reservation system, thus a good chance that you can buy desired reservation even in UK via DB agencies which specialize on selling European tickets (at least it won't hurt to try) p.s. when do you plan to travel? Since if it's not peak period, then maybe it doesn't really worth a hassle to "hunt" for reservation before actual arrival to Poland. Couchettes in Warsaw/Krakow-Budapest carriages aren't as popular as sleepers, so there is good chances that it will be available even before departure
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« on: June 29, 2013, 03:12:02 pm »
1. What do they mean by ticket with possible reservation? My assumption is that the seats should be reserved when I booked and paid for it online, but seems this is not correct? If so, how do I get those seats reserved at the time of booking/payment online for them to be cast in concrete so as to avoid last minute schedule nightmare. Well, the thing is that majority of trains in Germany and Czech Republic doesn't require obligatory seat reservation, meaning that you buy your ticket, board the train and take any free seat you like. It's a sort of old style thing presupposing that trains are rarely full 100%. On the contrary for some long-distance domestic and international trains both German Railways (DB) and Czech Railways (CD) offer an option of making a seat reservation, basically in order to definitely guarantee a particular seat on particular train. Most often seat reservations cost some extra money, but with some discounted tickets they might be included for free. From our experience, locals usually don't bother with buying seat reservations, unless it's peak season or holidays, when trains tend to be busier 2. What is the difference between 2nd class and 1st class for this train route? Read somewhere that there is a 4-passenger couchette which can offer privacy and luggage space. Is this a different category altogether? Depending on train you choose (there are quite a few direct ones between Prague & Munich) you can expect 2nd class look like this or this, while 1st class like this or thisAnd you probably mistaken bring up term couchette here, since in rail terminology it means a sort of sleeper carriage in overnight trains, which is definitely not available in case of direct Prague to Munich trains 3. It does not allow me to proceed with 1st class booking with some possible error messages, so it is difficult to do a price differential comparison. Any info will be helpful. Unlike for 2nd class where you can get get a discounted ticket Prague-Munich for as low as 19 euro (per person), for the 1st class discounted tickets aren't offered (which is quite reasonable, imho), so you'll have to go with full standard fare international ticket, which is 105,2 euro 4. We are both age 55, and 2 sons traveling with us are university students age 20 and 22; and we unfortunately can only speak English <not German nor French>. Read about special cheaper train fare for group. Is it something to do with the parameter "separate ticket for each passenger"?? Well, there is two major ways to travel Prague-Munich cheaply: a) mentioned above discounted ticket for 2nd class, from 19 euro per person (since discounted tickets are in limited number per each departure, you'll have to buy them in advance via CD website eShop); b) fare for group you mentioned probably refers to the so-called "Bavaria-Bohemia Ticket" (Bayern-Böhmen-Ticket), it's a German group pass, which allows unlimited travels in the whole Bavaria + bordering regions on Czech Republic during the whole day. For 4 passengers it will cost only 38,5 euro and can be good for leg from Plzen to Munich (Prague is too far from the border, thus not covered), while for Prague to Plzen part you simply buy domestic Czech ticket for the same train (from 400 CZK for all 4 passengers, also can do it via CD eShop). So basically you travel without change from Prague to Munich, but use two different tickets - one Czech domestic Prague-Plzen, while second one - Bavaria-Bohemia Ticket for the remained part of the journey. Bavaria-Bohemia Ticket can be bought at the ticket counter in Prague. The only inconvenience is that on weekdays (Mon.-Fri.) Bavaria-Bohemia Ticket is valid only from 9am, so you won't be able to use earliest morning train Prague-Munich (dep. Prague 5:15) 5. Noting the Christmas hols and in particular traveling on train on 1 Jan public holiday, what are the special consideration we have to keep in mind? For Christmas day you can expect some trains not running/canceled, but with New Year's time it's usually less problematic. However if you intend to go with discounted tickets option it will make sense to purchase those as soon as possible, because it's still a holiday and demand would be higher than usual. 5. Is there a better way to travel by train from Prague to Munich? It depends on what you mean by "better"  On route from Prague to Munich usually an alternative is bus (for instance companies like Student Agency or Eurolines), sometimes with some offers you can get a really good price a. Any suggestion of places to visit during winter. The places we should not miss. Germany is huge country with plenty of choices for sightseeing, so you basically can find attractions for any taste. Thus a lot depends on your preferences, some like nature and would prefer to visit places like Fussen, lake Constance area, Black Forrest, Harz Mountains or Rhine valley area. Others are more into architecture and old towns, then it will Nurmberg, Regensburg, Quedlinburg, Bremen, Lubeck etc. Also in Germany there is very good possibilities for industrial tourism, meaning variety of things to do and see in Ruhr region b. How to select appropriate train tickets scheme available for the travel. For domestic train journeys in Germany, and especially trips with family or in group, one of the best choices are German Railways passes. They can be nationwide - Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket (for weekends) & Quer-durchs-Land-Ticket (for weekdays) or region based (so called Lander Tickets). You can check our Germany page and read more about all those. Also German Railways offer discounted tickets (can be purchase via DB website), which are especially good in terms of long distance journeys, since unlike passes they can be used for faster IC/ICE trains
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« on: June 28, 2013, 02:14:24 am »
I'm having trouble booking Beograd-Bar special, but I emailed the address you gave me so hopefully they can help. We'll leave Bratislava on the 17:50 train. Worst case scenario is that you'll just have to go with full fare ticket (21 euro). And since you plan to take daytime Belgrade-Bar train, then availability won't be a problem and you can buy it even already in Belgrade before departure (or alternatively do it anytime from ZS website, unlike "Bar Specjal" it's not a problem to book full fare tickets via ZS Ticket Shop) I have a question about the return. We'll take the 19:00 train from Bar to BA (Via Beograd), train D432. When I check vagonweb.cz, the train D432 contains no sleepers or couchettes all the way to Bratislava...
However, when I check the connecting train I have confusion. Bahn.de says that 272 leaves Beograd in the morning - but I can only find IC 272 on vagonweb.cz. This train has sleepers and couchettes all the way from (Bar) to Prague. Is it the same train?, can I get a sleeper from Bar all the way to Bratislava departing at 19:00 from Bar??? The whole confusion comes from the fact that Bar to Prague carriages don't get attached to train #432 when starting from Bar, they go with Bar-Subotica #1136 train (dep. 17:00) and then in Subotica get reattached to "Avala" #272 train (same story with Bar-Budapest carriages). So if you check #1136 "Panonija" train, then you'll see your Bar to Prague sleeper & couchette (and when booking you respectively will need the correct train number to book these direct carriages). If you don't want to start at 17, but prefer 19, then you can also consider combination #432 + #272 with change in Belgrade, but in this case you a) you'll must change in Belgrade & b) there is certain risk factor, because of short change time in Belgrade (trains in Serbia quite often rather late, and #432 isn't an exception, so you can just miss you #272 because of that) Regarding 272 vs. IC 272, it's the same train. Difference comes from certain nuances in domestic/international train categories. In Serbia train #272 is considered to be InterCity (IC), while in other countries same train appears as EuroCity (EC) #272 or just #272
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« on: June 21, 2013, 12:57:12 am »
2 person sleeper compartment on a night train to Prague on the 12th august but the tickets (which would have been 118 euros) have sold out on the official hungarian train website (MAV) Hmm... actually a bit weird that for Sunday August 11 (supposedly busier day) they are still available, but for Monday August 12 system doesn't want to show anything I have found 2 one-way sleeper compartment tickets on czech-transport.com, but for 172 euro plus postage. czech-transport.com is an agency, which just resells train tickets with own commission and has nothing to do with official rail companies Do sleeper compartment tickets tend to sell out, or would it be possible to buy them from the station in budapest, a few days before travelling to Prague? Would they be much more expensive than buying them online? Well, during summer those Budapest to Prague carriages usually tend to by pretty busy, so absolutely no guarantees that you would be able to buy reservations for double sleeper few days in advance while already in Budapest Would they be much more expensive than buying them online? Tickets you wanted to buy (59 euro per person) are discounted so-called SparNight tickets, which are sold in limited number per each departure, so chances to buy them in Budapest few days before departure are almost zero. When buying on the day of travel you'll have to pay at least 49 euro per person for the ticket + another 21 euro per person for sleeper reservation (double). However, as was mentioned above, there are good chances that all the double would be sold out Nevertheless, there are few options which you might consider: a) buy SparNight ticket for the same train, but till Dresden and simply get off in Prague. Sparnight tickets Budapest-Dresden for double sleeper are 10 euro more expensive (69 euro per person), but still available. The only inconvenience is that Budapest-Dresden-Berlin group of carriages arrives to Prague not at 6am, but at 4am. During summer it's not a big problem, but still you won't get enough sleep. b) you can simply buy out 4 couchettes (thus whole compartment--> making it a sort of double compartment) in Budapest-Prague carriages with arrival at 6am. 4 Sparnight tickets (39 euro each) are still available for August 12 via MAV website c) on some rare occasions MAV website has been known to "lie", so sometimes almost magically tickets that were already sold out suddenly appeared again. Chances aren't very high, but still you can wait a bit and time to time check your date via MAV website d) lose some time (but save some money) by taking either evening or morning train instead of overnight one. For the daytime discounted SparDay tickets start from only 19 euro and usually much easier to get, while extra night in hostel/cheap hotel would cost you even less than difference between 69/59 euro & 19 euro for the day time train
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« on: June 17, 2013, 05:05:23 pm »
Just in case I can't get the Belgrade - Bar special, do you know how much a return is? Full fare Belgrade-Bar-Belgrade bought in Serbia (or Montenegro) costs 42 euro for the ticket (+potential reservations), and standard tickets definitely can be book via Serbian Railways (ZS) Ticket Shop, that's 100%. However taking into consideration that "Montenegro Spezial" Budapest-Bar-Budapest is only 66 euro, it turns out a euro cheaper than combination of 42 euro + 25 euro for the Budapest-Belgrade return And there isn't a couchette/sleeper from BUDAPEST to BAR directly (if I take the evening departure)... but from BP to Belgrade is doable. Yep, you can get sleeper/couchette only for the #341 Budapest-Belgrade (Bc6 - 8 euro, Bc4 - 10 euro, T3 - 12 euro & double is 18 euro, all bookable via MAV website), with daytime #431 Belgrade-Bar it's just seating carriages. I'll try to persuade my companion... As of one the persuasion arguments you can advertise evening departure from Bratislava by the fact that you get to travel Belgrade-Bar route during the day. Belgrade-Bar railway is one the most scenic rail journeys in Europe, so for those who never traveled there during the day it's definitely a must see thing 
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« on: June 17, 2013, 02:09:59 pm »
If I get lucky and order in advance the needed tickets AND get the cheapest tickets, point to point is the way to go. Well, taking into consideration your itinerary it seems that purchase in advance & discounted tickets aren't always the best solutions for you, so you don't really need to tie yourself in all the journeys, because you easily can still have some flexibility even without Eurail pass. But let's look step by step: Berlin to Stralsund: here you not necessarily need to "hunt" for discounted tickets, because German Railways (DB) offer pretty good local train passes. In case of this journey ones to consider are Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket (for weekends) or Quer-durchs-Land-Ticket (for weekdays). Both passes allow unlimited journeys during one day all over Germany for groups up to 5 passengers, and best thing about both passes is that they can be bought even before departure, so such passes are perfect for day trips like Berlin-Stralsund-Berlin. Quer-durchs-Land-Ticket for two passengers cost just 50 euro, while Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket even cheaper - 42 euro. As result both of you can travel Berlin-Stralsund-Berlin for not more than 50 euro and without any need to buy anything in advance. The only minor inconvenience is that such passes are not valid for IC trains, so you'll have to use slight slower regional trains (although in case of Berlin-Stralsund difference is just extra 15-20 minutes). More info on Quer-durchs-Land-Ticket & Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket you can find on our Germany pageBerlin to Potsdam: Potsdam is really close to Berlin, so even full fare standard tickets are very cheap (3,1 euro one-way from Berlin Hbf to Potsdam Hbf), so definitely spending Eurail pass day on daytrip to Potsdam is useless, just buy regular ticket before departure and don't worry about the price Berlin to Munich (with CNL train): while here because of a long journey indeed purchase in advance of the discounted ticket is a reasonable choice, but I guess you won't need a lot of flexibility here, thus buying Berlin-Munich ticket in advance isn't that big of an issue Munich to Dachau: and again, as with Berlin to Potsdam, Dachau is not far from to Munich (just 11-21 minutes by train), so standard full fare ticket is your choice. Plus here you can get MVV (Munich Transport and Tariff Association) which will cover not only journey to Dachau, but also public transport. Partner Day Ticket from MVV cost 13,6 € and both of you can ride as much as you want in Munich and around Munich to Salzburg: again, local German pass is your solution here. In this case best choice is so called Bavaria Ticket (Bayern-Ticket), idea is the same as with Quer-durchs-Land-Ticket & Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket, but here it's valid only in Bavaria and some border stations (including Salzburg). So for 26 euro (price of Bavaria Ticket for two passengers) you can travel Munich to Salzburg without any need to buy tickets in advance, show up at the station & buy your Bavaria Ticket via DB ticket machine, that's it Salzburg to Venice: due to long distance here a good choice is to buy discounted tickets in advance. Btw, we have a step by step guide on how to purchase tickets via Austria Railways (OeBB) website - http://europetrainsguide.com/Advice/How-to-Buy-Train-Tickets/Austria-OeBB.htmlVenice to Florence: two relatively cheap options here: a) purchase in advance via TrenItalia or Italo websites discounted tickets for direct high-speed trains (start from only 9 euro) or b) don't bother with in advance purchase, but simply use slower, however much cheaper (if to compare full fares) regional trains, for which standard fare ticket Venice-Florence is just 15,85 euro (and you can buy such ticket even 5 minutes before departure) Florence to Rome: as in previous case, in order to travel cheaper you can either buy in advance discounted tickets (again start from 9 euro) or opt for slower regional trains (standard full fare is 20,25 euro) and don't think about buying tickets in advance
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« on: June 17, 2013, 01:20:58 pm »
I wanna take EC 273, which is direct from Bratislava. Well, it's not really a direct train (since EC #272/273 "Avala" it's just Prague-Belgrade), but two through Czech carriages Prague-Bar (run seasonally), which get reattached in Subotica for Subotica-Bar #1137 "Panonija" train. And because of all these it gets a bit complicated. The thing is that "Bar Specjal" offer (allowing passengers to travel even for less than 10 euro) you've mentioned is sold only for direct Belgrade to Bar trains, and you can't buy it for Subotica to Bar train. Plus at the same time you also can't really rely on traveling by "Avala" all the way to Belgrade in hope to change there, since "Avala" arrives to Belgrade at 20:52, while last Belgrade-Bar train (#433) leaves Serbian capital 20:10. So judging from the above your choices are either to stay the night in Belgrade and continue to Montenegro next morning or forget about cheap "Bar Specjal" tickets and just go with Subotica-Bar #1137 "Panonija" train and regular tickets, which will allow you to be in Bar already next morning. Can I buy Budapest to Belgrade special from Hungarian conductor? Can they be done online? Hungarian conductors doesn't sell such international tickets, however you can purchase it online via MAV website and simply print it out via MAV ticket machine at Keleti station during half an hour stop of EC 273 in Budapest I guess it's quite expensive to buy it as one ticket from Slovak rail, right? A few years ago citystar ZSSK-ZS/ZCG was 98 euro, now it should be slightly more than 100 euro, so... kind of doesn't really make sense to buy ticket directly from Slovakia to Montenegro Oh, and just seen this "Montenegro: 'Montenegro Spezial' Budapest-Bar return for 66 euro". Maybe this can be bought online Unfortunately nope, MAV website doesn't offer a possibility to purchase it. Again, due to rather long stop in Budapest it's possible to try and buy such ticket from the international counter/wasteels office at Keleti And we're prepared to do the journey just sitting, but how about couchette. How much can this cost all the way from Bratislava? Don't have the exact numbers for Czech couchette/sleepers, but Hungarian ones (carriages Budapest-Bar) cost 9,4 euro (Bc6), 14 euro (Bc4), 15,4 euro (T3) and 23,1 euro for the double. CD fares for couchette/sleepers should be roughly the same or not much more expensive, thus you can take these number as a base So, taking into consideration all of the above, options regarding ticket/reservations might be as follows: a) purchase Bratislava-Budapest return ticket (17,5 euro) and, if you want, couchette/sleeper reservations Bratislava-Bar (NB, Prague-Bar carriages can be rather popular and sold out pretty quickly, so if you do decide to use them, then makes sense to think about buying reservations early). Then during the stop at Budapest-Keleti just run and buy additional Budapest-Bar-Budapest ("Montenegro Spezial" ticket) b) take an earlier EC train to Budapest and have plenty of time to buy your Budapest-Bar-Budapest ticket & even some time for lunch along with walk in Budapest. If you want to use couchette/sleeper from Budapest onwards, then makes sense to buy it in advance while you still in Bratislava (reservations for both Prague-Bar (CD) and Budapest-Bar (MAV) carriages should be available from ZSSK ticket counter) c) purchase return Bratislava-Kelebia ticket (35 euro) and separately Kelebia-Subotica-Kelebia (3,6 euro when bought from ZSSK counter). While from Subotica to Bar (and back) you can get tickets(+sleeper reservations) via Serbian Railways (ZS) Ticket shop, however again remember that during summer sleepers (and maybe a bit less couchettes) get sold out pretty quickly, so makes sense to think about Subotica-Bar in advance d) forget about "Avala" and morning start from Bratislava, but opt for the evening departure from Bratislava, then overnight train Budapest-Belgrade (25 euro return ticket) and finally daytime Belgrade-Bar. Here change in Belgrade is safe, since you'll have almost 3 hours between arrival of overnight #341 from Budapest and departure of #431 to Bar. Plus in this case you have a chance to get discounted "Bar Specjal" 9,9 euro ticket (we weren't able to get from ZS ticket shop, maybe you would be more lucky, but if not, then it's possible to email ZS (putnik.info@srbrail.rs) and try to arrange "Bar Specjal" ticket via email)
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