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Meaning that one may now travel via Tumangan without restrictions?

Not exactly, more meaning that passenger can purchase ticket till Tumangan without restrictions from any station of "Rossiya" route. Whether you can actual enter N.Korea totally depends on Korean border guards in Tumangan

Whats is weird is that RZD gives both fares quotes for Moscow-Pyongyang, rather than Moscow-Pyongyang (CCMI WL) and Moscow-Tumangan (RZD WL)

And even more weird that according to RZD website Moscow-Pyongyang with RZD is cheaper than Moscow-Pyongyang with Koreans, but coefficient for sleepers with RZD is much higher comparing to one with Mongolian, Chinese or Korean sleepers. The only explanation here is that RZD actually sells ticket Moscow-Pyongyang, but reservation only till Tumangan (since RZD carriages go only till that point)

Even if your ticket is to Kasan?

According to RZD you can buy tickets for those carriages only till Tumangan.

Yes I could be interested, thanks

The forum is http://mza.ru/forum (today it seems somehow down, but they will probably fix it eventually) and the person to ask is Михаил Тверской (Mihail Tverskoĭ). Not sure whether he knows English, but just in case - we can help you to draft your question in Russian.

Is is available on-line ?

No, CD sells only few types of tickets online and such complicated ones aren't in those few. So we afraid you will have to buy in person at the ticket counter. As result, it actually might make sense to go a bit further from Czech Republic and get your ticket already in Slovakia,  but anyway it is totally your choice.

Next question is: how much for Naushki (Gr) - Beijing, possibly with a stopover in Ulaan-Baatar...

Since we don't have access to real time info in this case, then we can only assume, RZD website lists Irkutsk-Bejing via Naushki ticket+reservation 311 CHF, reservation part in this case shouldn't be very high, we would say around 50-60 CHF, adjust a bit for Naushki-Bejing ticket and you get the fare a bit more than 200 CHF. Reservations 2/4 Naushki-Ulan-Baator and Ulan-Baator-Bejing shouldn't cost a lot, max 100 CHF in total.

And even more weird that according to RZD website Moscow-Pyongyang with RZD is cheaper than Moscow-Pyongyang with Koreans, but coefficient for sleepers with RZD is much higher comparing to one with Mongolian, Chinese or Korean sleepers. The only explanation here is that RZD actually sells ticket Moscow-Pyongyang, but reservation only till Tumangan (since RZD carriages go only till that point)

What do you mean by coefficient?

According to RZD you can buy tickets for those carriages only till Tumangan.

Very weird, that you may only travel on that Sleeping-car if you have a ticket to a forbidden station...

No, CD sells only few types of tickets online and such complicated ones aren't in those few. So we afraid you will have to buy in person at the ticket counter. As result, it actually might make sense to go a bit further from Czech Republic and get your ticket already in Slovakia,  but anyway it is totally your choice.

The Czech Republic, and especially the stations of Cheb and Domazlice aren't that far from home, so shouldn't be too a big problem, especially as I travel once in a while through Germany.

Anyway, isn't it possible to buy this by phone and have it mailed? No travel agency known to work with CD?

Since we don't have access to real time info in this case, then we can only assume, RZD website lists Irkutsk-Bejing via Naushki ticket+reservation 311 CHF, reservation part in this case shouldn't be very high, we would say around 50-60 CHF, adjust a bit for Naushki-Bejing ticket and you get the fare a bit more than 200 CHF. Reservations 2/4 Naushki-Ulan-Baator and Ulan-Baator-Bejing shouldn't cost a lot, max 100 CHF in total.

Is its possible to travel from Ulan-Ude with :

- EWF Ticket Frankfurt (O) (Gr) -> Naushki (Gr)
+
- Reservation Ulan-Ude -> Ulanbataar or Beijing
+
- Ticket (MGPT or Mongolian fare ?) Naushki (Gr) -> Ulanbataar ?

What do you mean by coefficient?

Besides standard MPT tariff table for reservations, every railway company participating in the tariff agreement has specific multiplicators or coefficients by which number from table is being multiplied, thus at the end having final sleeper reservation fare (this is primarily for adjustments with the inflation etc.). Already for a long time RZD has this coefficient rather high, at least much higher than UZ, MTZ, KZD or ZC. So at the end it influence the fare for sleepers in RZD carriages, meaning that same route with UZ, MTZ, KZD or ZC carriage would be cheaper than with RZD. 

Very weird, that you may only travel on that Sleeping-car if you have a ticket to a forbidden station...

That is classic RZD, they wanted to limit use of this non premium carriages for domestic purposes and instead force people to buy tickets for "branded" main route carriages of the same 'Rossiya' train, thus pay more.

Anyway, isn't it possible to buy this by phone and have it mailed? No travel agency known to work with CD?

Hmm, as far as we know, not possible. But you can always email CD and ask, they tend to answer questions rather fast.

Is its possible to travel from Ulan-Ude with :
- EWF Ticket Frankfurt (O) (Gr) -> Naushki (Gr)
+
- Reservation Ulan-Ude -> Ulanbataar or Beijing
+
- Ticket (MGPT or Mongolian fare ?) Naushki (Gr) -> Ulanbataar ?

This is a tricky question, since on leg Ulan-Ude ->Naushki (Gr) you would have ticket and reservation issued with different tariffs, which is, as far as we know, not allowed. But on the contrary, in theory you are totally ok, since you have all the legs covered. Once GyuriFT (who is known specialist in the tariff questions), specifically asked RZD official on one of the forums about possibility of having East-West tariff ticket (in his case CityStar) till gr. point (Tumangan, Naushki etc.) and chance to buy MPT reservation to it (at that time E-W reservation were already twice-three time more expensive), the official said that such trick wouldn't work since specifically ticket is issued with one tariff, while reservation with the other.
But, since it is such tricky thing, we would not be surprised if some cashier somewhere on periphery will sell you MPT reservation for E-W ticket. We heard stories when cashiers actually managed to sell cheap as dirt domestic reservation to E-W ticket. But you can't guess how lucky you can be in this matter 

That is classic RZD, they wanted to limit use of this non premium carriages for domestic purposes and instead force people to buy tickets for "branded" main route carriages of the same 'Rossiya' train, thus pay more.

I have indeed noticed that "Rossya" seems to have brand-new sleeping-cars. Does it still convey the usual 3-class offer, or are there some Deluxe cars nw as well?

Hmm, as far as we know, not possible. But you can always email CD and ask, they tend to answer questions rather fast.

I'll try that in the coming days.

Is its possible to travel from Ulan-Ude with :
- EWF Ticket Frankfurt (O) (Gr) -> Naushki (Gr)
+
- Reservation Ulan-Ude -> Ulanbataar or Beijing
+
- Ticket (MGPT or Mongolian fare ?) Naushki (Gr) -> Ulanbataar ?

This is a tricky question, since on leg Ulan-Ude ->Naushki (Gr) you would have ticket and reservation issued with different tariffs, which is, as far as we know, not allowed. But on the contrary, in theory you are totally ok, since you have all the legs covered. Once GyuriFT (who is known specialist in the tariff questions), specifically asked RZD official on one of the forums about possibility of having East-West tariff ticket (in his case CityStar) till gr. point (Tumangan, Naushki etc.) and chance to buy MPT reservation to it (at that time E-W reservation were already twice-three time more expensive), the official said that such trick wouldn't work since specifically ticket is issued with one tariff, while reservation with the other.
But, since it is such tricky thing, we would not be surprised if some cashier somewhere on periphery will sell you MPT reservation for E-W ticket. We heard stories when cashiers actually managed to sell cheap as dirt domestic reservation to E-W ticket. But you can't guess how lucky you can be in this matter

I indeed see the rationale, but on ethe other hand, as EW Reservation is deerer that MGPT Reservation, it doesn't seem to make too much sense...

Pity that there are no detailed, published MPT/MGPT tables :-(


Another side issue: do yo have an idea of the kind of fares (EW+Reservation or Global fares?) applicable to the Nice-Moscow sleeper? I presume that the reply is likely to be repeated on the Paris-Moscow sleeper due from December.

We heard stories when cashiers actually managed to sell cheap as dirt domestic reservation to E-W ticket.

Do you have any information where and how?

I have indeed noticed that "Rossya" seems to have brand-new sleeping-cars.

It is positioned by RZD as main train of Russian Federation, so it would be surprising not to see the newest available cars in that train. But expensive fare comes also from so called "фирменность" (probably best to translate as "branded") of carriages in the train, making sleeper reservation (reservierung) part of the ticket more expensive.

Does it still convey the usual 3-class offer, or are there some Deluxe cars nw as well?

Actually they do have those 3rd class 'platkartnyi'. For a long time 'platkartnyi' carriages were missing from this train, but, as far as we remember, since last summer few of them are again included and run until now (fare for today is 9343 RUB vs. 20530 RUB in 2/4 'kupe')

I indeed see the rationale, but on ethe other hand, as EW Reservation is deerer that MGPT Reservation, it doesn't seem to make too much sense...

Another side issue: do yo have an idea of the kind of fares (EW+Reservation or Global fares?) applicable to the Nice-Moscow sleeper?

Well, it is France, so Global fare it is, as well as with Moscow-Venice carriage. The only good thing is that RZD concerning #17/18 train have Global fare table for any interstate route (at least they announced it like this), even something like Smolensk-Brest. We haven't seen the full table, but as we said earlier, 'Ekspress' now allows to see the fare real time online. So, for instance, Moscow-Terespol (for 19/05) 2/3 cost 4625.6 RUB, Moscow-Milan - 11361.1 RUB etc.

We heard stories when cashiers actually managed to sell cheap as dirt domestic reservation to E-W ticket.

Do you have any information where and how?

One case was like four or five years ago somewhere on route to Murmansk, like Petrozavodsk or Kandalaksha, can't remember exactly. The person just showed up with international ticket and asked for reservation for domestic train till Murmansk. Guess those cashiers only new how to issued standard RZD domestic reservation, thus person got that one. But it was before that dramatic rise of E-W reservations for domestic route, so the actual difference then wasn't crucial. Other case was from Mukachevo to Kyiv few years ago. Pretty much same story - UZ domestic reservation for E-W ticket. Around that time also was a story with E-W ticket and cashiers in Kyiv trying to sell MGPT reservation to it for Kyiv-Moscow train.
Anyway, in most cases it is just not very knowledgeable cashiers and pure luck for someone getting domestic instead of E-W reservation. Unfortunately, you can't predict place and time where you might get lucky 

I have indeed noticed that "Rossya" seems to have brand-new sleeping-cars.

It is positioned by RZD as main train of Russian Federation, so it would be surprising not to see the newest available cars in that train. But expensive fare comes also from so called "фирменность" (probably best to translate as "branded") of carriages in the train, making sleeper reservation (reservierung) part of the ticket more expensive.

I had the impression that "Baikal" Moscow-Irkutsk actually ranked above "Rossya"...

Another side issue: do yo have an idea of the kind of fares (EW+Reservation or Global fares?) applicable to the Nice-Moscow sleeper?

Well, it is France, so Global fare it is, as well as with Moscow-Venice carriage. The only good thing is that RZD concerning #17/18 train have Global fare table for any interstate route (at least they announced it like this), even something like Smolensk-Brest. We haven't seen the full table, but as we said earlier, 'Ekspress' now allows to see the fare real time online. So, for instance, Moscow-Terespol (for 19/05) 2/3 cost 4625.6 RUB, Moscow-Milan - 11361.1 RUB etc.

AFAIK, SNCF is party to EW Fares, isn't it?

So, one my not travel Vienna-Moscow with this train using EW Fare + Reservation then?

For the current through-car Paris-Moscow, I believe that no global fares apply. At least, there is still a TCV Paris-Forbach (fr).

I had the impression that "Baikal" Moscow-Irkutsk actually ranked above "Rossya"...

No, historically it was St.Petersburg-Moscow trains (№1/2 during imperial times and later "Red Arrow" during Soviet times), but in second half of 20th century "Rossya" already positioned as the main train, since it runs from the capital till farthest destination and across the whole nation etc.

AFAIK, SNCF is party to EW Fares, isn't it?

Yes, but it doesn't stop SNCF from using global fare on the only trains/direct carriages. Same story with SCIC-NRT substituted by SNCF with SCIC-IRT (global price).

So, one my not travel Vienna-Moscow with this train using EW Fare + Reservation then?

No, unlike carriage Moscow-Venice (where tickets till MAV, HZ and SZ are sold with EW, while till FS with global), here (as well as with carriage Moscow-Paris) tickets from any station to any sold only using global. With EW+reservation you can use direct carriages Wien-Moscow running with "Vltava".

For the current through-car Paris-Moscow, I believe that no global fares apply. At least, there is still a TCV Paris-Forbach (fr).

As far as we know, since this carriage was introduced it always been global fare.

No, historically it was St.Petersburg-Moscow trains (№1/2 during imperial times and later "Red Arrow" during Soviet times), but in second half of 20th century "Rossya" already positioned as the main train, since it runs from the capital till farthest destination and across the whole nation etc.

I see. "Krasnaya Strela" seems to rank still very high, even though "Grand Express" seems even higher in the scale.

AFAIK, SNCF is party to EW Fares, isn't it?

Yes, but it doesn't stop SNCF from using global fare on the only trains/direct carriages. Same story with SCIC-NRT substituted by SNCF with SCIC-IRT (global price).

I see, but perhaps RZD should have bargained a dual-system...

What about Saarbrücken Hbf - Moscow? Is EWT+Reservation available on the current Paris-Moscow through-car?

What do SCIC-NRT and SCIC-IRT mean?

...even though "Grand Express" seems even higher in the scale.

Honestly, those quasi VIP trains run by newly established private companies can hardly lay up claims to be "train #1", it more like a kitsch, imho.

I see, but perhaps RZD should have bargained a dual-system...

What's the point? RZD is greedy enough, so they are fully ok to use global instead of regular tariff.

Is EWT+Reservation available on the current Paris-Moscow through-car?

No, tickets for this carriage is only global. So in case you want EWT+Reservation for Saarbrücken Hbf - Moscow they can sell you ticket till Saarbrücken Hbf and reservation till Berlin for instance.

What do SCIC-NRT and SCIC-IRT mean?

SCIC-NRT is a new name for TCV (since Dec.2009), while SCIC-IRT (for Integrated-Reservation Tickets, or the so-called “global price” tickets)

The Excel Table show asomehow cheaper supplement fare in Deluxe WL on "Polonesz" than on "Moskva-Express" for Warsaw-Moscow? Is such Deluxe accommodation the same from one train to another?

The Excel Table show asomehow cheaper supplement fare in Deluxe WL on "Polonesz" than on "Moskva-Express" for Warsaw-Moscow? Is such Deluxe accommodation the same from one train to another?

No, with "Moskva-Express" it is luxury WLSRmee carriage (#1/250) with TV and other so-called premium services. While in "Polonez" it is standard WLABm[ee].

That s weird, because your table gives a quote for Deluxe WL on "Polonez", and so does RZD website...

That s weird, because your table gives a quote for Deluxe WL on "Polonez", and so does RZD website...

Hmm... found so called service timetable for 'Polonez'. As it turns out, in full scheme the train has RIC-Lux carriage (#1ф), but it is so called carriage on demand, thus included only on certain occasions. While at the moment there are only standard RIC carriages running and that is what we saw when checked train scheme last time.  So that is the trick, on most days there is no deluxe option on "Polonez" since simply there is no RIC-Lux carriage running, but in theory, it can be present, thus RZD lists the fare for it.